[MC-2836] Wall signs float slightly in front of the blocks they have been placed on

The Bug

Wall signs have a small gap between them and the block they are placed on. It's not a huge issue, but it looks odd.

Steps to Reproduce

Place down a sign on a wall.
Look closely at where the sign connects to the wall.

Observed Behavior

Wall signs float slightly in front of the block that they're supported by.

Expected Behavior

Wall signs would not float slightly in front of the block that they're supported by. Instead, they should be properly attached to the block that they're on.

Potential Fix

This could be fixed by converting wall signs to use a block model, and only using entity rendering for the text, to bring them closer in line with other blocks.

Related issues

is duplicated by

MC-12424 Signs placed on walls have a gap behind them.

MC-14896 Signs are not attracted to blocks

MC-104789 Signs do not touch blocks

MC-111146 Signs Float In Front Of Blocks

MC-172528 signs on walls are not attached.

MC-179587 There's a gap between wall signs and the block it's connected to

MC-193819 Signs are not placed directly on a wall

MC-194743 Sign on Wall Floats

MC-195507 Signs render away from blocks.

MC-270836 Signs are 1 pixel off the front of a block

relates to

MC-183536 Camera can move through iron bars

MCPE-120677 Signs float in front of the block instead of sticking to them

MC-155551 Rails, ladders and vines slightly float above/off of the blocks they're placed on

Attachments

MC-2836.mp4

Comments

migrated 2012-11-12T01:10:58Z

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Anon Ymus 2012-11-12T01:43:13Z

And signs on fences have a huge gap.

Oliver Okum 2012-11-12T08:01:08Z

This gap prevents Z-fighting between the backside of the sing and the face of the block its attached to 😉
btw: i noticed this a long time ago in beta 1.6

Rickard Åberg 2012-11-12T09:27:46Z

This gap never really bothered me, don't think it's a bug but if the gap can be tweaked, go ahead! 🙂

Mortvert (Mort Imert) 2012-11-12T15:03:44Z

This isn't a bug.

Please, don't post minor annoyances to the bugtracker.

HalfOfAKebab 2019-05-24T16:20:24Z

Is this actually invalid? Seems like an oversight to me. Dunno why it would be intentional behaviour. If this is re-opened, it affects 1.14 and 1.14-pre4.

Rickard Åberg 2019-05-24T21:26:17Z

Just because it's been like this forever doesn't mean it's right.

I don't know about the Minecraft internals but I imagine changing signs might break things.

violine1101 2020-02-16T20:15:11Z

Reopened and confirmed for the latest versions. This ticket should not have been closed in the first place.

Alugia 2020-04-16T07:40:08Z

Confirmed in 20w16a

Jon1337 2020-04-22T15:15:17Z

Affects 20w17a

Jon1337 2020-05-02T15:52:59Z

Affects 20w18a

Jon1337 2020-05-06T21:58:22Z

Affects 20w19a

Jon1337 2020-05-14T22:40:31Z

Affects 20w20b

muzikbike 2020-05-24T02:48:28Z

Affects 20w21a, can I request ownership?

edelewill 2020-07-06T13:34:40Z

Confirmed/Reproduced in 20w27a.

pulpetti 2020-07-13T00:23:36Z

Can reproduce in 20w28a

Avoma 2020-11-25T19:41:05Z

Can confirm in 20w48a.

Avoma 2020-12-24T10:57:56Z

Can confirm in 20w51a.

Avoma 2021-02-04T18:33:41Z

Can confirm in 21w05b.

Avoma 2021-02-12T13:01:29Z

Can confirm in 21w06a.

Avoma 2021-02-18T18:40:29Z

Can confirm in 21w07a. Video attached.

Null 2021-02-20T13:59:26Z

How long has this been a thing? I don’t like it. It should be touching the block in my opinion.

Avoma 2021-03-28T16:45:29Z

Can confirm in 1.16.5 and 21w11a.

Avoma 2021-03-29T09:52:09Z

Relates to MC-104092 and MC-212256.

SoloAlguien 2021-04-03T05:17:08Z

Can confirm in 21w13a.

SoloAlguien 2021-04-08T23:30:50Z

Can confirm in 21w14a.

Avoma 2021-04-19T08:34:04Z

Can confirm in 21w15a.

Avoma 2021-04-30T12:57:45Z

Can confirm in 21w17a.

SoloAlguien 2021-05-07T19:44:57Z

Can confirm in 21w18a.

SoloAlguien 2021-05-16T01:15:28Z

Can confirm in 21w19a.

SoloAlguien 2021-06-02T05:38:27Z

Can confirm in 1.17 Pre-release 3.

Avoma 2021-06-15T07:22:14Z

Can confirm in 1.17.

SoloAlguien 2021-07-11T23:12:06Z

Can confirm in 1.17.1.

SoloAlguien 2021-09-29T22:31:00Z

Can confirm in 21w39a.

Avoma 2021-10-02T14:45:20Z

Here are some extra details regarding this problem.

The Bug:

Wall signs float slightly in front of the block that they're supported by.

Steps to Reproduce:

Place down a sign on a wall.
Look closely at where the sign connects to the wall.

Observed Behavior:

Wall signs float slightly in front of the block that they're supported by.

Expected Behavior:

Wall signs would not float slightly in front of the block that they're supported by. Instead, they should be properly attached to the block that they're on.

ampolive 2021-10-10T18:22:36Z

Can confirm in 21w40a.

SoloAlguien 2021-10-20T21:42:34Z

Can confirm in 21w42a.

SoloAlguien 2021-11-11T19:02:04Z

Can confirm in 1.18 Pre-release 1.

SoloAlguien 2021-12-03T23:27:28Z

Can confirm in 1.18 and 1.18.1 Pre-release 1.

Avoma 2021-12-14T17:39:40Z

Can confirm in 1.18.1.

SoloAlguien 2022-03-01T20:42:52Z

Can confirm in 1.18.2.

Avoma 2022-06-08T12:42:39Z

Can confirm in 1.19.

Avoma 2022-08-06T18:57:20Z

Can confirm in 1.19.2.

Brain81505 2023-02-11T15:39:23Z

Can confirm in 23w06a

j_p_smith 2023-05-17T05:12:35Z

~~This actually allows you to write on the back of a placed wall sign.~~

Never mind, the hitbox actually extends all the way to the supporting wall. So this bug is purely visual and has no effect on sign editing.

Jon1337 2023-10-26T11:56:59Z

In 23w43a

Camo_Cat 2023-10-26T12:41:50Z

While this is a bug, it allows for some cool secret messages. while I was able to write on the back on macOS by positioning my crosshair just right, but you can just use a bottom slab, write on the back, and convert that slab to a full block by placing another slab

ChappJack 2024-04-20T13:30:53Z

Can confirm in all 1.20 versions.