[MCPE-188972] World Spawn Point Creative Mode

MCPE - Bedrock Edition
World Seed - 866 513 395

Unable to teleport to back to world spawn point in Creative Mode for Windows. (MCPE)
I began and finished all my builds at the world starting point, coordinates 1424 63 10.
Recently I ventured off and got super lost just to explore, but tried using the "/tp" feature to teleport back to the XYZ coordinates, but end up inside a mountain in the ground in a different region of the world.

Steps to Reproduce:
open up Primary save file "phenoms world"
notice you are next to a mountain with falling water
type "T" for the chat - type in "/tp @s 1424 63 10 - hit ENTER"

Observed Results:
game will teleport you back inside the ground just under the foot of the mountain
(which is the area I am super lost in, away from world spawn/starting point)

Expected Results:
Supposed to be teleported back to the original world spawn point, which has jack-o-lanterns surrounding you. All other builds are also present in immediate surrounding area, including a nearby church with bells on the roof and stained glass windows. This church is NOT in the back up save file in my start up menu after I hit "Play".

Screenshots/Videos attached

Notes:
Pay close attention to the screen shot file names that pertain to which save file they come from, as well as the XYZ coordinates that somehow match in the "lost area" and the backup save file where the spawn point really is.

Linked issues

is duplicated by 2

MCPE-188985 World Spawn Point Creative Mode Resolved

MCPE-189044 MCPE Creative Mode Resolved

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[Mod] Umija5895M 2024-12-09T17:13:54Z

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[Mod] Umija5895M 2024-12-10T12:55:50Z

Do you have more than one saved world file?
It appears that two of the pictures labeled "primary save file" are from a different world than the one labeled "01 spawn point". Was the "01 spawn point" picture captured in an earlier version or perhaps from a different saved world?
Please also note that we do not have access to your worlds on your device, so we can't open your world save files.

Justin Greathouse 2024-12-10T13:34:19Z

Yes, both files are the same world. BUT the "01 spawn point" is the backup save file that the Minecraft Launcher will sometimes prompt users to do, which I did forever ago. The backup save file does not have the more current builds I recently finished, one of which is a church with stained glass windows and bells on the roof.
The primary save file IS the current world and contains all of my past and recent builds....Im just lost in some far away region.
Maybe you can do a wireless remote access?

Auldrick 2024-12-11T19:12:41Z

As a first step, we need to get copies of your saved world. The safe way to let us look at your files is to attach them to this report. However, there's a limit of 10 MB on attachments, and worlds that have been played more than trivially are typically larger than that, so we have a second way for you to share them from Windows using OneDrive. I'll assume you're using OneDrive. If you aren't, or don't know, just comment to say so and ignore the rest of this message for now.

If you're using OneDrive but your save files aren't in your OneDrive folders, I'll ask you to make a folder under OneDrive just for this purpose and copy your save files to it.

(Note: I'm on Windows 11. If you aren't, there may be some UI differences from what follows but the feature you'll be using is available from OneDrive. You may have to hunt for it a little though.)

With your save files in OneDrive, please right click on one of them and choose OneDrive, then select Share from the submenu. This will open a dialog. At the bottom is a section titled Copy link and it says "Anyone with the link can edit". Click on that and you'll see a More settings section where you can change "Can Edit" to "Can view". Then click Apply and you'll be shown a link that will let anybody view or make a copy of the file. Click on Copy and paste that link into a comment here (or you can add it to the description if you prefer).

My understanding is that you're saying you have two save files and the area around spawn is very different between them. If that is correct, please repeat the above instructions above for the second save file.

Let me also point out something else you should be aware of. The world seed you gave us above is "866 513 395". Did you insert those spaces to make it easier to read, or did you literally type that in for the seed when you created the world? You need to know that you can literally type anything in for a seed and the game will convert it to a number...but not the same number. When you type in a seed, if you only type digits (with an optional "-" sign), the game will use that number, but if you include any other character the game treats it as words and does some manipulation on it to turn it into a completely different and unrelated number that it uses as the seed. In any event, the real seed it used is shown in the world settings and that's the one you should give us, without changing it in any way, because when you change it we're not certain what your actual seed is.

Justin Greathouse 2024-12-12T06:52:22Z

thank you, Moderator Auldrick.
The world seed is, in fact, without the spaces. It was just me providing visual aesthetic. And yes, I whole-heartedly understand the point you made about the world seed "character recognition" and the importance of NOT including the spaces. Great point! 🙂

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Justin Greathouse 2024-12-12T06:56:46Z

I have OneDrive, and I will now attempt the steps listed to attach the world save file here as instructed.

Auldrick 2024-12-12T17:41:31Z

Thank you for the world copies. Note that if you published "Can edit" links, the files could be modified by a third, possibly malicious party. If these are the actual save files and not copies in a different folder, you might want to consider them suspect now. If you ever have a reason to share files again, I recommend you use the safer "Can view" links instead.

I have downloaded and analyzed your world saves, obtaining the following information:

Created in release 1.14.1 (Possibly a later release, but not much later)
World spawn coordinates: X=1416, Z=4 (slightly different from what you said)
Time spent playing the world: approx. 14D 16H 43M (Primary), 10D 14H 26M (Backup)
Note that the world spawn Y coordinate isn't fixed. When you respawn, the game tries to place you on the highest solid block at the respawn coordinates.
World save file sizes: 51.2 MB (Primary), 21.5 MB (Backup)

What happened?

Looking at terrain maps of your world, I see that it was corrupted at some point between the Backup save and the Primary save, and the damage was too severe to be fixable. Specifically, there is a 26-chunk-wide gap from X=1024 to 1439 where terrain was generated but the data has been lost. Sadly, your world spawn point falls within that range so all the building you did in that area is gone.

From your description you seem to have thought that when you teleported, the game placed you somewhere else but showed you the coordinates you'd entered. That wasn't what happened. The game placed you at the specified coordinates, but as there was no data to define the chunk there it regenerated the terrain around you, and the newly generated chunks are very different in 1.21 than they were in 1.14. The coordinates you used are now inside a mountain. The drastic difference is because the world generation redesign in 1.17 and 1.18 resulted in biomes being located in completely different places.

There's also some evidence that more corruption occurred quite a while ago, probably before release 1.18. I noticed 2 chunks centered at 1032,40 and 984,136, both of them in the middle of an ocean, but their surface is at Y=32 and Y=28, respectively and there is no water above it (they're holes in the ocean). This probably implies that the chunks were regenerated in some release before 1.18, which means the game had already tried to repair damage years ago.

How did the world corruption occur?

This kind of problem can be caused in a number of ways:

By abruptly terminating the game, such as by a power failure, forced termination via Task Manager, or a crash caused by a very severe bug.
By misusing a world editing tool (or using a defective one), for example to prune chunks. The game tries very hard to repair or at least limit the damage, but it isn't guaranteed to work.
By using a defective storage device (hard drive, SSD, etc.)
By closing the game without using the Save & Quit button. The game normally saves the world for you automatically, but this isn't guaranteed to work.

What can you do to fix it?

Unfortunately, anything you built in the damaged chunks between the Backup and Primary world saves is lost from the world now. If you regularly export backup copies of the world as you play it, you can work your way back through the available backups looking for the latest one where your most important builds are intact, revert to that backup, and rebuild what was lost from later building.

Since the hole-in-the-ocean chunks suggest you might have had repeated corruption, consider whether your habits for saving worlds need adjustment. You definitely should be using Save & Quit, and if you put enough time into a world that you would regret losing it you should be exporting it regularly, either before or after a play session.

Resolution of this report

World corruption can also be caused by a bug, but a bug that only affects one person and one world is ridiculously unlikely, so I doubt that a bug is involved in this case. Normally I would close this report. However, I want to give you a chance to respond in case you think my analysis is wrong. Please let us know if you're satisfied with it, or if not what else you think we should consider.

Justin Greathouse 2024-12-13T04:52:50Z

Interesting. And their has been a couple times I had to force quit the game since there was a "no response in window" alert.
One of my personal theories in this world corruption might have something to do with the world options of it being set to Infinite.
I was beginning to theorize if the coordinate scale resetted over another region, so I teleported all the way across the Z coordinate until it maxed out at 30M. The world was then very different - only ROWS of every other line of blocks were rendering...even the mobs and spiders would spawn in and fall to their deaths at the void down below. But Alas, it did not solve my curiosity and goal of landing back at the "home base" I started in.

But. . . does playing my world on Realms have any impact on its very platform it is played on?

Justin Greathouse 2024-12-13T04:54:28Z

Also . . . you said "World spawn coordinates: X=1416, Z=4 (slightly different from what you said)"
What did you see in your immediate surroundings in each game file?

Auldrick 2024-12-13T05:22:51Z

Since the spawn coordinates recorded in the save files are only about 10 blocks away from what you reported, it's not surprising that I saw the same things you saw: For the Backup world save I saw the pumpkins like in your "01 spawn point" image, and for the Primary world save I saw the mountain in your "primary save file mountain base" image.

Force quitting the game has a relatively higher likelihood of causing data loss or world corruption than just closing the window without saving. In future, if you have to force quit it would be a good idea to check for damage the next time you load it. By checking, I mean visit locations where you built something or significantly altered the terrain or structures. If they look ok, there likely was no loss, but if they don't, it's better to reload the world from an exported backup you took before the damage occurred and repeat the work you did in the aborted session. Then you can be fairly certain there's no damage that could be compounded by repeated failures to save the world.

I will now resolve this report as Invalid, because there's not enough evidence that a bug in Minecraft caused your problem. It's possible that a bug was involved, but if so it was in a past release and we can't identify any way to reproduce it, so the devs couldn't even begin to fix it. Good luck with your future Minecrafting!

Justin Greathouse 2024-12-13T12:43:53Z

Isn't it possible for Moderators and Developers to back log all the times players enter and exit their worlds? Im thinking maybe move me back to the point of around September so I can see if anything is different in the primary save file?

Auldrick 2024-12-13T13:54:43Z

Lol, I must say you have a very relaxed attitude about letting strangers tinker with your personal files! You really should be more cautious—there are people on the internet who could do a lot of damage to you.

Which reminds me, it would be a good idea if you remove those sharing links:

Open File Explorer to the folder you copied your world backups to.
Right-click the first file and select OneDrive > Manage Access from the context menu.
At the top of the Manage Access dialog, click Links.
Next to the link, click the trash can icon (tooltip is "Remove link").
Repeat for the other link.

For clarity, the bug tracker staff are neither Mojang nor Microsoft employees, we're only players from the Minecraft community who volunteer. And neither Mojang nor Microsoft is keeping track of when you play Minecraft. There are probably logs of when you connect to Xbox Live, but for legal reasons they wouldn't identify you personally or record what you did while connected. Keeping information like that (at least without your explicit consent) is illegal in a large part of the world.

Justin Greathouse 2024-12-13T14:21:09Z

what do you mean? the only thing you can see is the minecraft world I linked you, right?

Auldrick 2024-12-13T15:04:09Z

That is correct, the only thing of yours that we could access was what you gave us a link to. But you said "move me back to the point of around September", which I took to mean you wanted someone to revert your live world inside the game, not the .mcworld file you linked. What I was saying is that nobody has access to that but you, because I thought you were offering to let us or Mojang edit your world.

Neither we nor Mojang/Microsoft have access to your worlds in-game, either between gaming sessions or while you're actively playing.
You gave us access to a backup of your world, but world files don't contain any chronology of what was done to them, so nobody can revert what happened to "move you back". Neither is there such a chronology anywhere else.
In case you're wondering where I got the information about your cumulative time played, that and the other details are recorded in the world files along with your world settings. Mojang probably records it as information that might be useful for debugging. I used it to verify that the Backup save was actually older than the Primary save, because I wasn't completely certain which was which.

Auldrick 2024-12-13T15:17:02Z

By the way, I have removed one of your comments. Please don't publish people's personal information on the bug tracker. It's prohibited.