Strength does not function properly. This can be proved by trying to kill a zombie pigman. They have 20HP, just like most mobs. However, if you drink a strength potion, with a sharpness 3 diamond sword, you should be able to deal 23 damage and kill the pigman in a single blow. However, this is not what happens. I've experimented with this on creative mode, and the pigman needs another hit to die. The only way possible to kill a pigman melee is to get a sharpness 4 diamond sword and then do a critical. Or you can get a power 5 bow and kill it that way. I've even tried with strength 2, which still wont kill the pigman with a 10 dmg sword. Please fix this.
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Confirmed on Windows 10 version 1.4.2.0.
Experiments were done by striking a newly spawned zombie pigman once in Survival mode, hard difficulty. After each experiment an NBT editor was used to determine the pigman's remaining health and calculate the damage. The results were as follows:
Damage | Damage | |
Weapon | (Strength I) | (Strength II) |
no weapon | 2 | 3 |
Diamond sword | 10 | 13 |
Diamond sword + Sharpness 3 | 13 | 16 |
These results are consistent with the following formula:
> Damage = Base * Effect + Ench
where
Base is the damage due to the weapon used (1 for empty hand, 7 for diamond sword)
Effect is the multiplier for the status effect (130% for Strength I, 260% for strength II), rounded up
Ench is the extra damage from enchantments (3 for Sharpness level 3)
The items in bold differ from the corresponding values given on the wiki. According to the wiki, a diamond sword deals 8 damage, the damage after applying the status effect is rounded down, and the Sharpness enchantment adds 1 for level 1 and 1/2 for every level above 1, which in this case would be 1 + 1/2 + 1/2 = 2. Of these, the damage dealt by a diamond sword is shown in the tooltip as +7, so either the wiki is incorrect or the "+" means it adds 7 to the 1 for empty hand damage, but the game isn't adding it. The other two different values might be the result of a bug.
@@unknown: In any case, I would not expect the pigman to die with Strength I and Sharpness 3 because the damage is less than 20. I'm not sure how you calculated 23 for the damage, but it probably involved a formula in which the Strength effect magnifies not only the base damage but the enchantment as well. I don't expect that status effects would magnify enchantments; because potions that can soup up 5 enchantments at no more cost than an unenchanted weapon or tool would be way too powerful. However, it does appear that there are some inconsistencies between the wiki and how the damage is actually calculated. We'll see what the developers say.
@@unknown: In any case, I would not expect the pigman to die with Strength I and Sharpness 3 because the damage is less than 20. I'm not sure how you calculated 23 for the damage, but it probably involved a formula in which the Strength effect magnifies not only the base damage but the enchantment as well. I don't expect that status effects would magnify enchantments; because potions that can soup up 5 enchantments at no more cost than an unenchanted weapon or tool would be way too powerful. However, it does appear that there are some inconsistencies between the wiki and how the damage is actually calculated. We'll see what the developers say.
In the old days of minecraft, strength was actually another multiplier added up onto the diamond sword. If I'm not clear, damage when you had strength one would be multiplied by 2.3, because you're ADDING 130% more damage, ON TOP of the damage already there. On Java 1.8, i used to play on a server when i would take sharpness 3 and a strength potion and run around killing pigman without any of them getting mad since I one shot them all. Unless something changed without me knowing, it's a bug. However, I will respect balance changes.
In the old days of minecraft, strength was actually another multiplier added up onto the diamond sword. If I'm not clear, damage when you had strength one would be multiplied by 2.3, because you're ADDING 130% more damage, ON TOP of the damage already there. On Java 1.8, i used to play on a server when i would take sharpness 3 and a strength potion and run around killing pigman without any of them getting mad since I one shot them all. Unless something changed without me knowing, it's a bug. However, I will respect balance changes.
In Java (pre combat update), it is possible to one-hit a pigman using a Sharpness 3 diamond sword and a strength potion.
In Java (pre combat update), it is possible to one-hit a pigman using a Sharpness 3 diamond sword and a strength potion.
Is this bug still around?
This bug is still present in 1.12.1. Seems to increase the base attack damage and weapon attack damage (without enchantments) separately, by 40% per level rounded down. The attack damage increase of both the base attack and the weapon are then added to the total attack damage.
This bug is still present in 1.12.1. Seems to increase the base attack damage and weapon attack damage (without enchantments) separately, by 40% per level rounded down. The attack damage increase of both the base attack and the weapon are then added to the total attack damage.
Not too sure about the previous post. The attack damage increase is definitely in between 30%-40%. 40% (rounded down separately) seemed like a reasonable guess at first but I found some exceptions to this.
Not too sure about the previous post. The attack damage increase is definitely in between 30%-40%. 40% (rounded down separately) seemed like a reasonable guess at first but I found some exceptions to this.
I've noticed too that the in-game tooltip values for the strength effect are not correct.
"+130%" and "+260%"
give the impression of
"BaseDmg + (1.3 * BaseDmg)" and "BaseDmg + (2.6 * BaseDmg)",
respectively. That is nowhere close to the formula(s) the game is actually using. Actual damage values for Str 1 fit BaseDmg * (1.3) rounded up, but I'm not sure how to transform that to fit Str 2 data. I've tried a number of formulas–linear, recursive, and exponential, using different kinds of rounding, separating fist and weapon damage, adding an arbitrary constant–and I can't get a perfect match.
Here is a full table of data:
| BaseDmg | With Str 1 | With Str 2 |
Trident | 9 | 12 | 16 |
Diamond Sword | 8 | 11 | 15 |
Iron Sword | 7 | 10 | 14 |
Stone Sword | 6 | 8 | 11 |
Gold Sword | 5 | 7 | 10 |
Gold Axe | 4 | 6 | 8 |
Gold Pickaxe | 3 | 4 | 6 |
Hand | 2 | 3 | 4 |
These values were found by spawning rows of creepers, hitting each once with the weapons listed, and checking how much health they lost with an NBT viewer. I used the creeper because it has 0 natural defense and does not spawn with armor. The analysis given by Auldrick in the comment above does not take into account that zombie pigmen, like all zombie variants, have 2 natural defense points, reducing dmg by 8%.
As for sharpness + strength, my data below show that the increase in damage due to strength is unaffected by the sharpness enchantment and vice versa. Each applies a separate increase in damage related to the base damage value. With sharpness the increase is 1.25 * Lvl, which matches what the wiki states for Bedrock (Auldrick's analysis in the comment above uses the Java numbers for sharpness; perhaps the wiki was not up to date back then.)
| Sharp 2 | Sharp 2 | Sharp 3 | Sharp 3 | Sharp 4 | Sharp 4 |
Diamond Sword | 10 | 13 | 11 | 14 | 13 | 16 |
Iron Sword | 9 | 12 | 10 | 13 | 12 | 15 |
Stone Sword | 8 | 10 | 9 | 11 | 11 | 13 |
Gold Sword | 7 | 9 | 8 | 10 | 10 | 12 |
Gold Axe | 6 | 8 | 7 | 9 | 9 | 11 |
One further inference we can make from this data is that damage values are always rounded down. The wiki states that health is calculated as a floating point number and rounded up for display. That statement must be incorrect or only applicable to Java only. You can see from the charts that the amounts added by strength when sharpness is in effect do not differ at all from the amounts added to unenchanted attacks, even though sharpness 2 and 3 could in theory add .5 and .75 damage beyond what the data show. This confirms that there are no leftover fractions from strength combining with the available fractions from sharpness. Both modifiers are rounded down before they are combined with base damage.
I've noticed too that the in-game tooltip values for the strength effect are not correct.
"+130%" and "+260%"
give the impression of
"BaseDmg + (1.3 * BaseDmg)" and "BaseDmg + (2.6 * BaseDmg)",
respectively. That is nowhere close to the formula(s) the game is actually using. Actual damage values for Str 1 fit BaseDmg * (1.3) rounded up, but I'm not sure how to transform that to fit Str 2 data. I've tried a number of formulas–linear, recursive, and exponential, using different kinds of rounding, separating fist and weapon damage, adding an arbitrary constant–and I can't get a perfect match.
Here is a full table of data:
| BaseDmg | With Str 1 | With Str 2 |
Trident | 9 | 12 | 16 |
Diamond Sword | 8 | 11 | 15 |
Iron Sword | 7 | 10 | 14 |
Stone Sword | 6 | 8 | 11 |
Gold Sword | 5 | 7 | 10 |
Gold Axe | 4 | 6 | 8 |
Gold Pickaxe | 3 | 4 | 6 |
Hand | 2 | 3 | 4 |
These values were found by spawning rows of creepers, hitting each once with the weapons listed, and checking how much health they lost with an NBT viewer. I used the creeper because it has 0 natural defense and does not spawn with armor. The analysis given by Auldrick in the comment above does not take into account that zombie pigmen, like all zombie variants, have 2 natural defense points, reducing dmg by 8%.
As for sharpness + strength, my data below show that the increase in damage due to strength is unaffected by the sharpness enchantment and vice versa. Each applies a separate increase in damage related to the base damage value. With sharpness the increase is 1.25 * Lvl, which matches what the wiki states for Bedrock (Auldrick's analysis in the comment above uses the Java numbers for sharpness; perhaps the wiki was not up to date back then.)
| Sharp 2 | Sharp 2 | Sharp 3 | Sharp 3 | Sharp 4 | Sharp 4 |
Diamond Sword | 10 | 13 | 11 | 14 | 13 | 16 |
Iron Sword | 9 | 12 | 10 | 13 | 12 | 15 |
Stone Sword | 8 | 10 | 9 | 11 | 11 | 13 |
Gold Sword | 7 | 9 | 8 | 10 | 10 | 12 |
Gold Axe | 6 | 8 | 7 | 9 | 9 | 11 |
One further inference we can make from this data is that damage values are always rounded down. The wiki states that health is calculated as a floating point number and rounded up for display. That statement must be incorrect or only applicable to Java only. You can see from the charts that the amounts added by strength when sharpness is in effect do not differ at all from the amounts added to unenchanted attacks, even though sharpness 2 and 3 could in theory add .5 and .75 damage beyond what the data show. This confirms that there are no leftover fractions from strength combining with the available fractions from sharpness. Both modifiers are rounded down before they are combined with base damage.
Eureka! The formula for damage with the strength effect at a given level is:
Dmg(StrengthLevel) = RoundDown (Dmg(StrengthLevel - 1) * 1.3 + 1)
Notice that the formula is recursive and operates on the total damage done by weapon + strength effect at the previous level. This means that base damage of the weapon only figures directly in the calculation of strength level 1. Higher levels of strength operate on the total damage calculated for the preceding level. This is why no formula that includes the base weapon damage would fit the data.
Notice too that the formula resembles the tooltip in a strange way. In order to get the a true "+130%", which Connor and Mega_Spud confirmed to be the old Java value for strength 1 (i.e. a 10 dmg weapon does 23 dmg with strength 1), you just need to add a set of parentheses to the current Bedrock formula, like this:
Dmg(Strength = 1) = RoundDown (Dmg(Weapon [Strength = 0]) * (1.3 + 1) )
This raises the possibility that when the strength effect function was coded for Bedrock someone forgot to put in some parentheses. It would be nice to know if the current formula is really what was intended.
Notice too that in either case the tooltip for the strength 2 potion is not accurate. In fact, you can't express the result of a 2-step recursive function as a simple "+" or "*" of the base value.
If the current formula is going to stay, the tooltip for strength 1 should read:
+30% + 1 Attack Damage
I would suggest that the tooltip for strength 2 read:
(Strength 1) + 30% + 1 Attack Damage
Here is a fuller table of data:
| BaseDmg | Str 1 | Str 2 | Str 3 | Str 4 |
Trident | 9 | 12 | 16 | 21 | 28 |
Diamond Sword | 8 | 11 | 15 | 20 | 27 |
Iron Sword | 7 | 10 | 14 | 19 | 25 |
Stone Sword | 6 | 8 | 11 | 15 | 20 |
Gold Sword | 5 | 7 | 10 | 14 | 19 |
Gold Axe | 4 | 6 | 8 | 11 | 15 |
Gold Pickaxe | 3 | 4 | 6 | 8 | 11 |
Hand | 2 | 3 | 4 | 6 | 8 |
Eureka! The formula for damage with the strength effect at a given level is:
Dmg(StrengthLevel) = RoundDown (Dmg(StrengthLevel - 1) * 1.3 + 1)
Notice that the formula is recursive and operates on the total damage done by weapon + strength effect at the previous level. This means that base damage of the weapon only figures directly in the calculation of strength level 1. Higher levels of strength operate on the total damage calculated for the preceding level. This is why no formula that includes the base weapon damage would fit the data.
Notice too that the formula resembles the tooltip in a strange way. In order to get the a true "+130%", which Connor and Mega_Spud confirmed to be the old Java value for strength 1 (i.e. a 10 dmg weapon does 23 dmg with strength 1), you just need to add a set of parentheses to the current Bedrock formula, like this:
Dmg(Strength = 1) = RoundDown (Dmg(Weapon [Strength = 0]) * (1.3 + 1) )
This raises the possibility that when the strength effect function was coded for Bedrock someone forgot to put in some parentheses. It would be nice to know if the current formula is really what was intended.
Notice too that in either case the tooltip for the strength 2 potion is not accurate. In fact, you can't express the result of a 2-step recursive function as a simple "+" or "*" of the base value.
If the current formula is going to stay, the tooltip for strength 1 should read:
+30% + 1 Attack Damage
I would suggest that the tooltip for strength 2 read:
(Strength 1) + 30% + 1 Attack Damage
Here is a fuller table of data:
| BaseDmg | Str 1 | Str 2 | Str 3 | Str 4 |
Trident | 9 | 12 | 16 | 21 | 28 |
Diamond Sword | 8 | 11 | 15 | 20 | 27 |
Iron Sword | 7 | 10 | 14 | 19 | 25 |
Stone Sword | 6 | 8 | 11 | 15 | 20 |
Gold Sword | 5 | 7 | 10 | 14 | 19 |
Gold Axe | 4 | 6 | 8 | 11 | 15 |
Gold Pickaxe | 3 | 4 | 6 | 8 | 11 |
Hand | 2 | 3 | 4 | 6 | 8 |
I found it !
I probably found the way how damage with strength potion II works. All what I need was just math.
So I was using Creeper with 20HP and netherite sword (default damage 8). With Sharpness III (1,25*3=3,75, so total dmg is 11) Creeper died after TWO hits. With Sharpness IV (1,25*4=5, so total dmg is 13) Creeper died after ONE hit.
Let's work with default equation for Strength potion I :
dmg (13-1) * 1,3+1=16,6 => 16 hp and we need 20
20 = (13-1) * 1,3 +1 / -1
19 = (13-1) * 1,3 / 1/12
(19/12)=1,58333 = 1 * 1,3
What you think, is number 1,58333 really close to 1,6, because if is then ...
(x - 1) * 1,6 +1 = Total damage
(13-1) * 1,6 + 1 = 20,2 => 20 hp
Remember guys Math and Logic always works, if you know how to used😀.
I found it !
I probably found the way how damage with strength potion II works. All what I need was just math.
So I was using Creeper with 20HP and netherite sword (default damage 8). With Sharpness III (1,25*3=3,75, so total dmg is 11) Creeper died after TWO hits. With Sharpness IV (1,25*4=5, so total dmg is 13) Creeper died after ONE hit.
Let's work with default equation for Strength potion I :
dmg (13-1) * 1,3+1=16,6 => 16 hp and we need 20
20 = (13-1) * 1,3 +1 / -1
19 = (13-1) * 1,3 / 1/12
(19/12)=1,58333 = 1 * 1,3
What you think, is number 1,58333 really close to 1,6, because if is then ...
(x - 1) * 1,6 +1 = Total damage
(13-1) * 1,6 + 1 = 20,2 => 20 hp
Remember guys Math and Logic always works, if you know how to used😀.
@@unknown Did you read the comments I already made explaining this? It looks like you are trying to find a formula for Strength II that you could apply to the total damage of Weapon + Enchantment. That is incorrect. Strength and Sharpness do not compound each other. I provided a lot of data to prove this in
my first comment. Moreover, you are using an incorrect damage value for the netherite sword. The sword when used by a player does 9 damage, not 8. The tooltip shows "+8", and this means "bare hand damage + 8". The game uses 1 for bare hand damage for calculating damage using mele weapons and tools, even though bare hands actually do 2 damage (another bug, see MCPE-62692).
In your example, with a netherite sword and strength II,
Sharpness III: (1 + 8) + 7 + 3.75 = 19.75 damage, rounded down to 19, creeper lives
Sharpness IV: (1 + 8) + 7 + 5 = 21 damage, creeper dies
@@unknown Did you read the comments I already made explaining this? It looks like you are trying to find a formula for Strength II that you could apply to the total damage of Weapon + Enchantment. That is incorrect. Strength and Sharpness do not compound each other. I provided a lot of data to prove this in
my first comment. Moreover, you are using an incorrect damage value for the netherite sword. The sword when used by a player does 9 damage, not 8. The tooltip shows "+8", and this means "bare hand damage + 8". The game uses 1 for bare hand damage for calculating damage using mele weapons and tools, even though bare hands actually do 2 damage (another bug, see MCPE-62692).
In your example, with a netherite sword and strength II,
Sharpness III: (1 + 8) + 7 + 3.75 = 19.75 damage, rounded down to 19, creeper lives
Sharpness IV: (1 + 8) + 7 + 5 = 21 damage, creeper dies
The tooltips for Strength I and Strength II have been changed in 1.16.100 to show the actual damage increase for the weapon being held (selected in the hotbar). That being the case, there is no longer a reason to expect a sharpness III sword to one-hit a zombie as it would in Java pre-combat-update. The values for strength potions are, therefore, working as intended at the present time.
The tooltips for Strength I and Strength II have been changed in 1.16.100 to show the actual damage increase for the weapon being held (selected in the hotbar). That being the case, there is no longer a reason to expect a sharpness III sword to one-hit a zombie as it would in Java pre-combat-update. The values for strength potions are, therefore, working as intended at the present time.
Confirmed on Windows 10 version 1.4.2.0.
Experiments were done by striking a newly spawned zombie pigman once in Survival mode, hard difficulty. After each experiment an NBT editor was used to determine the pigman's remaining health and calculate the damage. The results were as follows:
Damage
Damage
Weapon
(Strength I)
(Strength II)
no weapon
2
3
Diamond sword
10
13
Diamond sword + Sharpness 3
13
16
These results are consistent with the following formula:
> Damage = Base * Effect + Ench
where
Base is the damage due to the weapon used (1 for empty hand, 7 for diamond sword)
Effect is the multiplier for the status effect (130% for Strength I, 260% for strength II), rounded up
Ench is the extra damage from enchantments (3 for Sharpness level 3)
The items in bold differ from the corresponding values given on the wiki. According to the wiki, a diamond sword deals 8 damage, the damage after applying the status effect is rounded down, and the Sharpness enchantment adds 1 for level 1 and 1/2 for every level above 1, which in this case would be 1 + 1/2 + 1/2 = 2. Of these, the damage dealt by a diamond sword is shown in the tooltip as +7, so either the wiki is incorrect or the "+" means it adds 7 to the 1 for empty hand damage, but the game isn't adding it. The other two different values might be the result of a bug.