Drew Mitchell

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MC-48001 No brown chat color/server protocol Duplicate

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Drew Mitchell on MC-39583 2015-08-19T20:40:27Z

@Miles Lunger What version?

Drew Mitchell on MC-33109 2014-02-23T11:59:31Z

Still in 14w05a-14w08a. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, fix this to how it was before 1.7.

Drew Mitchell on MC-48001 2014-02-23T11:57:24Z

I don't think that this is invalid, I just think that you think that it is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is that it exists in the vanilla source (even though it may not be able to be used easily in vanilla). For example, you can paste the section symbol into a written book and it will work. I think that this has validity and should be of at least some priority.

Drew Mitchell on MC-48001 2014-02-17T01:04:16Z

While that is true, it exists in the vanilla server protocol and can be edited in using a third party software. I'm just saying that this already existing protocol is missing brown, or a shade of it while it has most every color already programmed.

Drew Mitchell on MC-48001 2014-02-14T16:36:55Z

Well, yes, there is no brown chat color, but the vanilla client can do chat color by using the section symbol followed by a-f, k-o, or 0-9. I'm just asking if it's possible to add a color code for brown into the protocol.

Drew Mitchell on MC-39583 2013-12-19T13:44:14Z

Wiping also seems to occur arbitrarily when the window is left inactive for more than 15 minutes at a time. I'd let it sit there and want to go play SMP, but it would wipe if I hit Refresh... Not sure how to duplicate, but I was definitely not spamming the button at this time.

Drew Mitchell on MC-39583 2013-12-16T07:07:51Z

[01:05:58 INFO]: Refreshing local version list...
[01:05:58 INFO]: Minecraft Launcher 1.3.7 (through bootstrap 5) started on windows...
[01:05:58 INFO]: Current time is Dec 16, 2013 1:05:58 AM
[01:05:58 INFO]: System.getProperty('os.name') == 'Windows 8'
[01:05:58 INFO]: System.getProperty('os.version') == '6.2'
[01:05:58 INFO]: System.getProperty('os.arch') == 'amd64'
[01:05:58 INFO]: System.getProperty('java.version') == '1.7.0_45'
[01:05:58 INFO]: System.getProperty('java.vendor') == 'Oracle Corporation'
[01:05:58 INFO]: System.getProperty('sun.arch.data.model') == '64'
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[01:05:59 INFO]: Loaded 2 profile(s); selected 'Drkmaster83'
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[01:06:05 INFO]: Attempting to download C:\Users\Drew Mitchell\AppData\Roaming\.minecraft\libraries\com\paulscode\librarylwjglopenal\20100824\librarylwjglopenal-20100824.jar for job 'Version & Libraries'... (try 0)
[01:06:05 INFO]: Attempting to download C:\Users\Drew Mitchell\AppData\Roaming\.minecraft\libraries\com\paulscode\libraryjavasound\20101123\libraryjavasound-20101123.jar for job 'Version & Libraries'... (try 0)
[01:06:05 INFO]: Attempting to download C:\Users\Drew Mitchell\AppData\Roaming\.minecraft\libraries\org\lwjgl\lwjgl\lwjgl\2.9.1-nightly-20131120\lwjgl-2.9.1-nightly-20131120.jar for job 'Version & Libraries'... (try 0)
[01:06:05 INFO]: Attempting to download C:\Users\Drew Mitchell\AppData\Roaming\.minecraft\libraries\tv\twitch\twitch\5.12\twitch-5.12.jar for job 'Version & Libraries'... (try 0)
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[01:06:05 INFO]: Attempting to download C:\Users\Drew Mitchell\AppData\Roaming\.minecraft\libraries\com\ibm\icu\icu4j-core-mojang\51.2\icu4j-core-mojang-51.2.jar for job 'Version & Libraries'... (try 0)
[01:06:05 INFO]: Attempting to download C:\Users\Drew Mitchell\AppData\Roaming\.minecraft\libraries\net\sf\jopt-simple\jopt-simple\4.5\jopt-simple-4.5.jar for job 'Version & Libraries'... (try 0)
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[01:06:05 INFO]: Attempting to download C:\Users\Drew Mitchell\AppData\Roaming\.minecraft\libraries\org\apache\commons\commons-lang3\3.1\commons-lang3-3.1.jar for job 'Version & Libraries'... (try 0)
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[01:06:05 INFO]: Attempting to download C:\Users\Drew Mitchell\AppData\Roaming\.minecraft\libraries\com\google\guava\guava\15.0\guava-15.0.jar for job 'Version & Libraries'... (try 0)
[01:06:05 INFO]: Attempting to download C:\Users\Drew Mitchell\AppData\Roaming\.minecraft\libraries\net\sf\trove4j\trove4j\3.0.3\trove4j-3.0.3.jar for job 'Version & Libraries'... (try 0)
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[01:06:05 INFO]: Attempting to download C:\Users\Drew Mitchell\AppData\Roaming\.minecraft\libraries\org\apache\logging\log4j\log4j-api\2.0-beta9\log4j-api-2.0-beta9.jar for job 'Version & Libraries'... (try 0)
[01:06:05 INFO]: Attempting to download C:\Users\Drew Mitchell\AppData\Roaming\.minecraft\libraries\com\paulscode\soundsystem\20120107\soundsystem-20120107.jar for job 'Version & Libraries'... (try 0)
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[01:06:06 INFO]: Attempting to download C:\Users\Drew Mitchell\AppData\Roaming\.minecraft\libraries\org\apache\logging\log4j\log4j-core\2.0-beta9\log4j-core-2.0-beta9.jar for job 'Version & Libraries'... (try 0)
[01:06:06 INFO]: Finished downloading C:\Users\Drew Mitchell\AppData\Roaming\.minecraft\libraries\net\sf\trove4j\trove4j\3.0.3\trove4j-3.0.3.jar for job 'Version & Libraries': Local file matches local checksum, using that
[01:06:06 INFO]: Attempting to download C:\Users\Drew Mitchell\AppData\Roaming\.minecraft\libraries\com\google\code\gson\gson\2.2.4\gson-2.2.4.jar for job 'Version & Libraries'... (try 0)
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[01:06:06 INFO]: Attempting to download C:\Users\Drew Mitchell\AppData\Roaming\.minecraft\libraries\io\netty\netty-all\4.0.10.Final\netty-all-4.0.10.Final.jar for job 'Version & Libraries'... (try 0)
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[01:06:06 INFO]: Attempting to download C:\Users\Drew Mitchell\AppData\Roaming\.minecraft\libraries\org\lwjgl\lwjgl\lwjgl-platform\2.9.1-nightly-20131120\lwjgl-platform-2.9.1-nightly-20131120-natives-windows.jar for job 'Version & Libraries'... (try 0)
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[01:06:06 INFO]: Attempting to download C:\Users\Drew Mitchell\AppData\Roaming\.minecraft\libraries\com\mojang\authlib\1.2\authlib-1.2.jar for job 'Version & Libraries'... (try 0)
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[01:06:06 INFO]: Attempting to download C:\Users\Drew Mitchell\AppData\Roaming\.minecraft\libraries\tv\twitch\twitch-platform\5.12\twitch-platform-5.12-natives-windows-64.jar for job 'Version & Libraries'... (try 0)
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[01:06:06 INFO]: Finished downloading C:\Users\Drew Mitchell\AppData\Roaming\.minecraft\libraries\io\netty\netty-all\4.0.10.Final\netty-all-4.0.10.Final.jar for job 'Version & Libraries': Local file matches local checksum, using that
[01:06:06 INFO]: Attempting to download C:\Users\Drew Mitchell\AppData\Roaming\.minecraft\libraries\net\java\jutils\jutils\1.0.0\jutils-1.0.0.jar for job 'Version & Libraries'... (try 0)
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[01:06:06 INFO]: Attempting to download C:\Users\Drew Mitchell\AppData\Roaming\.minecraft\libraries\com\paulscode\codecwav\20101023\codecwav-20101023.jar for job 'Version & Libraries'... (try 0)
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[01:06:06 INFO]: Attempting to download C:\Users\Drew Mitchell\AppData\Roaming\.minecraft\versions\1.7.4\1.7.4.jar for job 'Version & Libraries'... (try 0)
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[01:06:07 INFO]: Job 'Version & Libraries' finished successfully (took 0:00:02.252)
[01:06:07 INFO]: Launching game
[01:06:07 INFO]: Looking for old natives & assets to clean up...
[01:06:07 INFO]: Unpacking natives to C:\Users\Drew Mitchell\AppData\Roaming\.minecraft\versions\1.7.4\1.7.4-natives-4014681314051
[01:06:07 INFO]: Launching in C:\Users\Drew Mitchell\AppData\Roaming\.minecraft
[01:06:07 INFO]: Half command: C:\Program Files\Java\jre7\bin\javaw.exe -XX:HeapDumpPath=MojangTricksIntelDriversForPerformance_javaw.exe_minecraft.exe.heapdump -Xms512M -Xmx2300M -Djava.library.path=C:\Users\Drew Mitchell\AppData\Roaming\.minecraft\versions\1.7.4\1.7.4-natives-4014681314051 -cp C:\Users\Drew Mitchell\AppData\Roaming\.minecraft\libraries\java3d\vecmath\1.3.1\vecmath-1.3.1.jar;C:\Users\Drew Mitchell\AppData\Roaming\.minecraft\libraries\net\sf\trove4j\trove4j\3.0.3\trove4j-3.0.3.jar;C:\Users\Drew Mitchell\AppData\Roaming\.minecraft\libraries\com\ibm\icu\icu4j-core-mojang\51.2\icu4j-core-mojang-51.2.jar;C:\Users\Drew Mitchell\AppData\Roaming\.minecraft\libraries\net\sf\jopt-simple\jopt-simple\4.5\jopt-simple-4.5.jar;C:\Users\Drew Mitchell\AppData\Roaming\.minecraft\libraries\com\paulscode\codecjorbis\20101023\codecjorbis-20101023.jar;C:\Users\Drew Mitchell\AppData\Roaming\.minecraft\libraries\com\paulscode\codecwav\20101023\codecwav-20101023.jar;C:\Users\Drew Mitchell\AppData\Roaming\.minecraft\libraries\com\paulscode\libraryjavasound\20101123\libraryjavasound-20101123.jar;C:\Users\Drew Mitchell\AppData\Roaming\.minecraft\libraries\com\paulscode\librarylwjglopenal\20100824\librarylwjglopenal-20100824.jar;C:\Users\Drew Mitchell\AppData\Roaming\.minecraft\libraries\com\paulscode\soundsystem\20120107\soundsystem-20120107.jar;C:\Users\Drew Mitchell\AppData\Roaming\.minecraft\libraries\io\netty\netty-all\4.0.10.Final\netty-all-4.0.10.Final.jar;C:\Users\Drew Mitchell\AppData\Roaming\.minecraft\libraries\com\google\guava\guava\15.0\guava-15.0.jar;C:\Users\Drew Mitchell\AppData\Roaming\.minecraft\libraries\org\apache\commons\commons-lang3\3.1\commons-lang3-3.1.jar;C:\Users\Drew Mitchell\AppData\Roaming\.minecraft\libraries\commons-io\commons-io\2.4\commons-io-2.4.jar;C:\Users\Drew Mitchell\AppData\Roaming\.minecraft\libraries\net\java\jinput\jinput\2.0.5\jinput-2.0.5.jar;C:\Users\Drew Mitchell\AppData\Roaming\.minecraft\libraries\net\java\jutils\jutils\1.0.0\jutils-1.0.0.jar;C:\Users\Drew Mitchell\AppData\Roaming\.minecraft\libraries\com\google\code\gson\gson\2.2.4\gson-2.2.4.jar;C:\Users\Drew Mitchell\AppData\Roaming\.minecraft\libraries\com\mojang\authlib\1.2\authlib-1.2.jar;C:\Users\Drew Mitchell\AppData\Roaming\.minecraft\libraries\org\apache\logging\log4j\log4j-api\2.0-beta9\log4j-api-2.0-beta9.jar;C:\Users\Drew Mitchell\AppData\Roaming\.minecraft\libraries\org\apache\logging\log4j\log4j-core\2.0-beta9\log4j-core-2.0-beta9.jar;C:\Users\Drew Mitchell\AppData\Roaming\.minecraft\libraries\org\lwjgl\lwjgl\lwjgl\2.9.1-nightly-20131120\lwjgl-2.9.1-nightly-20131120.jar;C:\Users\Drew Mitchell\AppData\Roaming\.minecraft\libraries\org\lwjgl\lwjgl\lwjgl_util\2.9.1-nightly-20131120\lwjgl_util-2.9.1-nightly-20131120.jar;C:\Users\Drew Mitchell\AppData\Roaming\.minecraft\libraries\tv\twitch\twitch\5.12\twitch-5.12.jar;C:\Users\Drew Mitchell\AppData\Roaming\.minecraft\versions\1.7.4\1.7.4.jar net.minecraft.client.main.Main
[01:06:09 INFO]: Client> [01:06:09] [main/INFO]: Setting user: Drkmaster83
[01:06:09 INFO]: Client> [01:06:09] [main/INFO]: (Session ID is token:1b641461d0cd46f5b40eb13e6e1acb70:719e29f6dfaf44a7a2c9952b6154e6d6)
[01:06:09 INFO]: Client> [01:06:09] [Client thread/INFO]: LWJGL Version: 2.9.1
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[01:06:11 INFO]: Client>     (The LWJGL binding of OpenAL.  For more information, see http://www.lwjgl.org)
[01:06:11 INFO]: Client> OpenAL initialized.
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[01:06:12 INFO]: Client> [01:06:12] [Client thread/INFO]: Created: 256x256 textures/items-atlas
[01:07:01 INFO]: Client> [01:07:01] [Client thread/INFO]: Stopping!
[01:07:01 INFO]: Client> 
[01:07:01 INFO]: Client> SoundSystem shutting down...
[01:07:01 INFO]: Client>     Author: Paul Lamb, www.paulscode.com
[01:07:01 INFO]: Client> 
[01:07:02 INFO]: Game ended with no troubles detected (exit code 0)
[01:07:02 INFO]: Deleting C:\Users\Drew Mitchell\AppData\Roaming\.minecraft\versions\1.7.4\1.7.4-natives-4014681314051
[01:07:02 WARN]: Couldn't delete C:\Users\Drew Mitchell\AppData\Roaming\.minecraft\versions\1.7.4\1.7.4-natives-4014681314051 - scheduling for deletion upon exit

Drew Mitchell on MC-33109 2013-12-15T22:24:10Z

Can we please fix this?! T_T It's the most annoying and prevalent bug there is for me right now.

Drew Mitchell on MC-39583 2013-12-15T22:14:25Z

Confirmed in 1.7.4/1.7.3. After refreshing many times in a row (nearly an excessive amount), the server list is wiped of all entries, leaving only the search for LAN servers. I've noticed that they also create a servers.dat_tmp file which isn't used, and showed no contents when I opened it with NBTExplorer. After I copied my backup of my servers.dat file over and opened the Multiplayer screen, my server list was back and the dat_tmp file was deleted.
YouTube Video which demonstrates this but had a tendency to go off topic:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vm67Y7m1Ebc&feature=player_detailpage#t=66